SnowDog

Hanns, the way I intend to use luck/karma is quite similar to how you use it. Only difference is that the luck won't regenerate while sleeping but instead by getting awarded by GM. Despite the name (karma) it has nothing to do with how "good" the characters are. Instead it is awarded based on how much the player (and character) contributes to the story and the gaming session. So, if the character is altruistic and risks his neck to save a child from being hit by car then the character will get karma for that. On the other hand if the character is cold, almost cyberpsycho solo who just have to risk dozens of innocents to stay alive and succeeds to stay alive he will get the karma. Got it?

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Eduskunta = parliament, FYI.

Yes, his comment was awfull but actually I am not that surprised that Halme was elected to parliament. There have been quite many "celebrity" representatives so it is not unheard of and at least many of his "promises" sound good to me. Well, time will tell...

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It is true that discussion about guns etc. distracts from the roleplaying aspect of the game. Still knowing a lot about guns and anything that is related to game environment actually helps to understand how the word works and in a way it also helps to roleplay or run the games. At least that's my perception of this.

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I'm interested to see more.

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I am not sure if I understood you correctly. Years ago when we played the game at first somehow almost everyone put 10s for INT, REF and BOD. Now we don't have this kind of problem, fortunately but I still use the random method where the you roll d10 as many times as there are stats. Then you place the rolled values to stats as you like. In my next campaign I will probably use the point system but it is true that it might be helpful to know  how many points are recommended to be divided between the stats.

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I just checked. Chrysalis was right, the Greenwar (I even misspelled the name   ) was made by Atlas Games.

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I was going to say Atlas but then I remembered that Atlas was behind the Night City Stories. I'll check who wrote it when I get home.

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Glad to hear that. I chose to try this system with CP2020 as the system is quite flexible and light. There were not that many combats in that campaign but all were quite high intensity ones. If you try it (even in another system) please let me know how it went.

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Yes, I suppose. But still there is this nagging feel that seeing all the stats etc. affects how we play (of course) and not necessarily in a good way. On the other hand this blind system helps to get the feeling of uncertainty.

Anyway, as I have said I tried it only once (as in campaign not in session) and it run surprisingly smoothly.

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That sounds like a good idea. Of course the sniper and "sprayer" have to be really close together otherwise forensics could pretty well tell that one bullet came from a different angle than the rest of the bullets  

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In a sense yes, do you know exactly what is your REF, BOD or TEC for example? I can tell that I don't but I can get an estimate. That estimate is what I give to the players but not in numerical value but in descriptive way. Or if you get stabbed do you know how bad it is? I don't know as I have managed to avoid being at the business end of a knife. I try to describe how bad it feels like so players can make decisions based on that information. They don't know exactly how much damage their chatacters have taken so they can't calculate like "my character cas still take one hit without going to MORTALn wound state, so no worries". I am quite sure that no matter how good roleplayer the player is he/she will still calculate those things if possible at least in subconsious level.

What about humanity then? In early days most solos took EMP 8 or something like that to get a high humanity so they could take a lot of cyberware before going down. I don't have this problem anymore but still people will be much more careful about taking cybernetics when they are not aware if they can handle any more implants or will it drive them crazy. Then the gradual drop in humanity is subtle enough, like it is presented in the CP2020 books.

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It is about corporate making a hostile takeover against another corp. PCs' job is to get 51% of the target corp's shares to their empolyer.

So far I don't know why the name is Green War but I suppose I will know when I read the book.

Eraser, I am not planning to run it online. I have never participated not to mention run an online game. Maybe I will some day try my hand on that when I have first got a hang of it by playing.

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That, of corse depends on world. If the GM uses borgs then I understand the Barret etc. but if full borgs are scarce then you might not need that kind of firepower. Remember my point about soft targets full borgs are not soft targets. But I agree that sometimes you just can't tell if the target is soft or not. I am pretty sure that normal caliber rifles doesn't cause so much hassle as large caliber rifles.

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I think of starting a new campaign and I have been skimming my CP2020 library. I found Green War adventure and I have just started to read it. Have any of you actually run it? Was it good? Anything else you'd like to comment about it?

Thanks,

SnowDog

One sniper NPC used a sniper rifle that I generated using 3G3 rules but unfortunately I have lost my notes for the thing (and for the whole campaign). I can't recommend any specific rifles but as has been suggested choose the weapon based on what is the target. I think that those Barret "anti-matter" rifles etc. are a bit overkill against soft targets.

Sniper or actually marksman in my current group uses just Ronin with a good sight.

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I am really not trying to be a pain in the @ss but I still feel the need to defend my post    Even in blind game I used all of the game mechanics that are in the game and even some that I invented or ripped from other sources. Each character had specific stats, skills and equipment just like in a normal game. The main difference was that players didn't know exactly what were the values of their stats (and skill totals), how badly wounded they were and what was their humanity.

Of course this might not be your cup of tea and I totally understand it but I just wanted to make it clear that I still used the rules to back my decisions during the game.

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Okay, I'll take a look about that case too.  

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Inner City Goblins is a gang of about 50 goblinoid exotics. They have carved their turf to one of the worst part of the city by using both melee weapons and firearms. Typically they prefer melee weapons like monokatanas but despite their appearance they are not so stupid as to go against a firearm armed opponent with just a melee weapon. They support themselves by selling their services as enforcers and small time mercenaries. Their leader is an Orc exotic known as Gold Fang.

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I just read your netrunning rules and they look good. How do you decide will the charadter be able to make the program or how much it will cost?

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Yes, there is always the possibility that players get to know the correct stats after playing for a while. That is something that can't be avoided, unfortunately. When the stats range from 3 to 10 (usually) there is not much variation but I noticed that although my players are not immune to a little bit of munchkinism (sp?) they managed to suppress their urge to make a lot of off the game calculations etc. so in a way this experiment helped them to actually roleplay.

One way to avoid using repetitive description of the stats would be to divide the values to the groups of three (or two). Then you give the description that overlap the groups so at least two values can get the same description and when you describe the stat to the player you can just choose or roll which description you use.

The actual idea was to add a little bit of uncertainty to the game statistics and stat descriptions came as an bonus  

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Duma, so you pretty much know how this system works    But yes, as I confessed this kind of system really adds the workload of a GM but with little practice it flows quite nicely. Everyone in my group was happy with it.

If the character has to make a roll that uses only a stat, I would either <gasp> roll it myself or make the player roll it in secret. The third option would be to just ask him to make a roll and not to tell the exact difficulty number. BTW I seldom tell the DN anyway and base the success by what DN they managed to get and that applies to normal non-blind games as well.

SnowDog

Thanks    But as I have already confessed it is more or less ripped from Shadowrun...

Yes, I indeed intend to reward good roleplaying and planning with karma (or luck points). Good die rolling or killing hordes of enemies etc. doesn't get awarded  

No, I won't remove the luck stat as it regulates the maximum amount of karma that can be used in one roll (or in other situations where it is allowed in rulebook). For example someone with a luck stat of 4 can't announce that he will be using 8 points to increase his chances to make the death save but he have to settle to use maximum of 4 for that roll. I hope you understood my explanation. If that was not clear enough, then ask again and I will give more examples.

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That could be a good idea. I have to think about it.

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Yes, some people or just plain lucky and that was one of the main reasons why many of the gunslingers of the wild west lived even as long as they did  

I must have been "a bit" unclear as I indeed intended that luck never regenerates. Karma pool grows only by being awarded by the GM. Yes, I admit that the karma system in Shadowrun has been the inspiration for it.

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This system is still under development so I'm glad that you asked. You are right that it should not be used after the roll. I have not yet decided whether to have a minimum cost of 1 point of karma and the exact amount will depend on the roll or should I use a system where player announces the amount of karma he will use before the roll.

Maybe fumles can be bought off with 5 karma points or something. I don't know yet.

I suppose I will award approximately 5 karma points per session. This will vary depending on roleplaying, ideas, action etc. with 10 being more or less the maximum.

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