Psiberzerker

Corset is! I liked watching her work, and go through the thought process in the garage.

That 1% is when them noticing your weapon could make a difference - because you're trying to pass as unarmed, or you're trying to surprise them with your gun, or, or.

 

And that's the moment when you do roll how well you've hidden it, and the roll how good they are at spotting it.

 

Also, when you do something out of the ordinary, like reach up 1 handed for something above you. Normal waist carry (Let's say inside the waistband) is for arms, and shoulders hanging at the sides.

I'd think the Wardrobe and Style check would be for the clothes, how well do they help or hinder the carry of a certain firearm but wouldn't need to be rolled every time. I know how well my Dickie's workshirt conceals my carry piece, that doesn't change day to day, only if I get new shirts that don't fit like the old ones did. Think inner city baggy clothes culture, or fat middle aged guys wearing "photographer" vests, those clothing choices are being worn for a reason. The W&S check would come into play if your characters aren't just wearing surplus BDUs, sweatshirts or the ubiquitous trenchcoat. Hard to impress the fashionable in those clothes chummer. That's where the Seville Row tailor comes into play, sure, you can get a tailored suit, armor protection definitely but if you want it to look good and conceal that micro Uzi it'll need to be custom fitted. Paying for expertise is always a thing in Cyberpunk, especially if you want to look good doing it.

 

I'd just roll against the Concealment Score when whoever's using Awareness. Sure, nobody notices your EDC, when nobody's paying attention. Likewise, you don't have to draw, bring it to battery, and fire accurately, when you're not threatened.

My fast and dirty rules for concealment holsters were for every point they added to concealment it was the same penalty for fast draw. Or the reverse, if there was a bonus to fast draw then there was a penalty to concealment.

 

This is a great rule! IDKY I didn't think of it, it's so simple, and obvious, I feel like an idiot for overlooking it.

 

For me, this is what VFTE is all about. Comparing notes so all our house-rule sets are even better!

 

Mechanics wise, is this a point-in rule, or calculated after everything else? Assuming the possibility of Multipliers (I have one in Wardrobe/Awareness for the chance-to-detect roll) whether this is a base bonus, or +/- at the end could make a significant difference.

 

Zapata is a French jetski racer. He's marketing it in America because of EU regulations, and yeah. It's a proof that the concept of personal flight is finally technologically feasable.

 

If it will never be practical. We can't stop Drunk Driving. How many times have you run out of gas, and not plummeted to your death? There's a reason why he almost exclusively flies it over water. He's basically the only one who's mastered it, and as it's designer, he knows it's ceiling is too low to safely deploy an emergency parachute.

 

Pretty damned cool, though. I actually featured it in one of my stories earlier this year:

 

NSFW

 

Here's another one from the same basic storyline: Sky I Incidentally, the same one I came back to VTFE to see if there was any interest.

 

There wasn't, but Personal Flight is very Cyberpunk.

What exactly is a dumb-missile? An unguided rocket. Sure, they're getting progressively more sophisticated along with everything else (About in parallel with Moore's Law) but just about anything with: GPS/Satellite Guidance, Delayed fuse to explode in armor/structures, Dual Stage/purpose Warheads...

 

The list goes on. This is a Smart grenade. Which is cool, and all, but pretty niche. Like 1 guy per Platoon unless they're dedicated Urban Combat/House Clearing specialized Squads (Then 1 per squad) is all the US Military should even Train to use something like this. When most of the time you can strap a block of plastique to a propane tank, and chuck it through the window, like the SEAL teams did (Allegedly) in Afghanistan.

 

That being said, it is kinda neat that they crammed it in an undermountable 40mm Tube. What will Ratheon come up with next? The smallest i was able to design (For my Atrocity Wars setting) was for a 66mm drop-mortar. Dual purpose, either it could do low Anti-Aircraft (Helecopters, and Aerodynes) or save fuel in an indirect fire Mortar (With sensing, and precision Airburst/Top Attack vs Vehicles) as basically a vertical glide-bomb.

 

 

I need ideas.

 

I'd put in a "Twists" subtable. Like Double-agent, 3rd party interference, cop raid... Something to change it up at that (Randomly determined) point in the campaign. Just put a ## TWIST! parameter on all the tables, where something could come in with a monkeywrench, and a quart of KY to throw off the scenario as the players (Think they) understand it.

106 lbs, not including ammunition, for the lighter version. That's Metalhead portable, but not man portable.

 

Keep in mind that's by itself. No sidearm, no helmet, no boots. 106 lbs for 1 weapon, standing stark naked in the middle of a firefight. Which means no Armor.

 

I personally would rather have a Luger carbine, and 60 lbs of Armor.

 

 

Or any practical firearm. I have a shoulder holster/stocked Browning High Power (Inglis Canadian spec) because it's legally exempt from the SBR classification in the NFA.

 

But, we're talking about fantasy here, so I'm going with something that looks as sexy as this:

 

 

I can fucking hit what I'm aiming at with that, and look good doing it. It doesn't matter how hard you miss them.

Psi, barrel erosion mostly isn't caused by the jacketing, it's from the extremely high pressures of the hot cartridge literally burning the throat out of the barrel. Not really a common issue in most pistols as they're running way lower pressure rounds but well, this isn't every other pistol and the round is a smoking hot little fireball.

 

Compared to a rifle round? I'll just assume that the same factory that's been making machineguns since the Maxim, and Hotchkiss know how to temper a barrel. Yeah, it's hot for a pistol, but it's not a .338 Lapua.

No, there's ever worse ideas.

 

https://heizerdefense.com/category/products/guns/par1-guns/

 

 

LOL, same people who made the "Pocket AK." Somebody needs to tell them that chambering the same round does not make it the same gun. (Also, you're not going to get shit out of a rifle round with that little barrel, other than a flashbang with a handle.)

 

http://heizerdefense.com/2015/05/28/the-pak1/

Could be worse.

 

http://www.trailblazerfirearms.com/products/

there are things you can do to improve them, such as letting the Finnish military rebuild them

 

Valmet, anyone. Yeah, I think it's pretty well proven that the best thing that ever happened to Soviet arms is the Finns getting their hands on them. Not to say that something being Soviet means it's crap, but the Finns have a long illustrious history of finding what's wrong with them, and banging them out.

Also, thought we were talking about Gattling-style guns in general, not ones with "man-portable" characteristic.

 

Well, thanks. Just for future reference, in this discussion I'm limiting myself to the realism of the Man Portable Minigun. At least when I refered to their being no model other than a prototype.

 

So, let me clarify: When it comes to converting that particular weapon to a gas operated system, there's 2 main problems of scale: Heating, unless you're going to fit all (Let's say) 6 barrels with a seperate pushrod system, then the gas blocks will have to all feed a single central pushrod, or direct impingement system. (Also, adding 6 seperate ones like 6 separate AR-15 actions on a turntable wouldn't be much lighter than a compact electric motor in the buttcap.)

 

Hold up a .223 cartridge, and hold up a .50 Browning. (Assuming you can't get your hands on Soviet surplus Heavy Machinegun ammo.) Now, asside the fact that you'd be venting hot gasses into the middle of a tighter barrel cluster, only 1 barrel fires at any 1 time. A Heavy Machinegun cartridge has enough fuel (Propellant gasses) to cycle the other 3 in the cluster. The .223 probably does not.

 

The other problem at this scale is Energy Density.

The Russians beg to differ.

YakB - the four-barrel 12,7mm used, for example, on Mi-24 helicopters - is a gas-operated multibarrel machinegun. Not that it made an outstanding career apart from that role, but as a proof of concept is works fine, I think. And is far from being just a prototype.

 

AUTO-CANNON. Not a minigun. The mini-in minigun is in contrast to the electric Auto-cannons they're miniaturized from. Yes, there is 1, successful, air-cooled aircraft auto-cannon. It's pretty damned easy to cool one in the nose of a flying aircraft, because there's a lot of air to carry the heat off.

 

Now, show me the man-portable minigun that isn't a prototype. Then, we'll talk. Unless you want to add a water-jacket, along with a gas block to every barrel to make it gas fed, along with everything else.

 

I'm just trying to keep this fantasy in the realm of practical realities. Like cooling. Again, we're not going to see anything like this until there are Power Assisted troops with heavy enough armor to need them, and mount them on.

 

You can't fire a minigun from the hip, and walk. You're not Jesse "The Body" Ventura, and he's probably too old to haul that movie prop around either. Yes, the same one they had under the overpass in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, but you notice he wasn't walking around with it either?

 

(Also, some serious fucking movie magic, them rappelling him on a climbing rope anchored by an ice ax manually punched through the trunk of a car. No, Newton called, and said that's bullshit.)

Also, grenade as in hand grenade? How far you can throw it? 30, 40m?

 

Grenade, grenade launcher, Rocket Propelled Grenade... All things that have actually been adopted by agencies that kill people for a living in target rich environments, because they are actually practical for that purpose.

 

The problem with a gas operated mutlibarrel machinegun is cooling. Well, that, and complexity. That's why it's been tried (Prototyped) but never successfully.

So, for mass murder. That's what you're describing: Pack them in, and mow them down, as inefficiently as possible. That same target rich environment is what Grenades are for.

 

The operative words here are Man Portable. A minigun, (The ammo for it, the motor, and the power supply for the motor) aint. End of story.

I'm guessing barrel erosion and ammo availability would be the major shortcomings though.

 

Not with a solid milled copper bullet. It's not copper jacketed, it's solid copper. Doesn't do a whole hell of a lot to tempered steel rifling.

 

Ammo availibility is not availible. There's like 1,000 of the Guns in the country. It's pretty brand new, but we're talking the 20 minutes into the future here. And it's adopted as a military service arm, so who knows. As long as you're writing it, you can make it $50.00 for a five gallon bucket like Simonov if you want. I would think that once FBCs, and armor layered Solos start appearing on the streets, high velocity armor piercing pistol ammo probably would too.

... I wonder why I reinvent the wheel trying to set a quirks table for facilities, when Geist already had an equivalent table in Augmented Realities...

 

You can still innovate. I don't have AR right here in front of me, but did you add anything new? Honestly, I haven't used the core rules in decades. (TBPH, they have some major mechanical malfunctions.)

 

You rock.

Really neat resource, I unfortunately have no use for. I basically use Profiling backwards. Instead of using the evidence to extrapolate something useful about the perpetrator, I use it to generate a character, or characters. Basically NPCs with personalities, disorders, and MOs, which guide me through their actions. How would Benedict go about this? Okay, then I can inform the Players what they know about the Target. (Basically the Evidence they have to extrapolate something useful about them.)

 

I'm just saying, I don't need this, but it is interesting to read about And probably invaluable for people who want to randomly generate scenarios. I just happen to have a different system.

The original source for mono filament wire is a novel called Stand on Zanzibar in which terrorists string the near invisible stuff across road ways.

 

"Stand in Zanzibar" was published in '68, 3 years after Frank Herbert's Dune. Where Shigawire was used not only to tie people up (Not only is it unbreakable, but if you struggle, it cuts into your arm. There was also Krimskil Fiber which tightens the more you move, and Inkvine, which has corrosive neurotoxin, and scars you for life) but also used to store the Orange Catholic Bible in miniature form.

 

{Glasses push.}

 

All of these were products of Ekaz, the setting of my Known Universe campaign. Instead of 1 product to rule them all, Ekaz is basically the post apocalypse of Biological Warfare, so mutated plants rule everything. And also produce valuable commodities, like fibers, drugs (Semuta, The Juice of Sappho...) Woods (Elacca) and so forth. So, it was a great setting for 3 competing houses to fight over different production, while the plants did their best to kill their workers.

Paul Harrel did some vid material comparing same ammuniton (as in - same caliber, same manufacturer, same series) being fired from a handgun and a carbine barrel. And, as usual, he was pretty through about measuring the differences.

 

Oh yeah, I saw that. I really love that he does go through it fairly scientifically, and also takes the Viewer through it. I have an engineering background, but so much content is "Science" nowadays:

 

Now, i know he's joking, and you know he's joking. Another good example is . There' he jokes about using the Uzi to knock down all his targets at once, and his deadpan is so good he has to tell you it's a joke, but in all 3 examples, they use water bottles. The difference is Paul uses them to show penetration, with something in front of it. If the bottle has a hole in it, then obviously it went through the tree, or whatever. Jeremy S played it straight, as if the damage caused by the 2 rounds can actually be assessed by a necropsy of split plastic bottles, and that has an "Scientific" bearing on the wounding, or penetration. The average commenter doesn't really seem to get the difference between say Adam Savage fucking around, and joking about "Science!" and Neil DeGrasse Tyson actually sitting down, and doing astrophysics, with peer review, and scientific method. they just know that it looks cool when you watch a watermellon explode on high-speed.

 

I agree, is was desinged as a close-in weapon - but not necessarily contact-only. Using it in the confines of a vehicle, elevator, small room would be close enough. 5m range? 10m range, at most, IMO. Hitting a human-sized target at 10m with it would be likely quite a feat...

 

Not Contact Only, Contact Range. Kidnapping, which means inside a meter. Not 5 meters, or 10 meters, they are going to grab you, they're going to take you, and what are you going to do about it. Your best bet for shot placement is probably going to be putting the muzzles right where you want the bulllets to go, and hopefully injecting the blast after them, because there is literally no way whatsoever to aim that thing. It's not even shaped right for aiming, and we are talking about untrained people pulling it from concealment, and fighting with it in the vinyl case.

 

So, on all those assumptions (Kidnapping, still in it's case, untrained panicy target) I would say your best bet is a contact shot. Or double shot. Sure, it's Possible to shoot one, then the other, but in the situation it was designed for, that's implausible bordering on fantasy. On the table, with somebody who regularly does 2 gun matches against sporterized M-4 carbines using antique manual actions? Yeah, you can get 2 shots out of it. The question is, what could you gain from that?

 

I digress, but another option is using it as a signaling device. The assumption is they want to get away with you and not get caught. So, a couple loud reports could at least alert the police that something is going on over here.

liquid if under little stress, but become hard and rigid if force is applied to them. Like shield technology in Dune, slow-moving objects can move through, fast-moving are resisted. So, an armor insert made of such a substance will be, ideally, flexible under movement conditions, but turn rigid against a bullet or shrapnel hitting it.

 

Love the Holtzman effect allusion, but I'd do a dedicated armor, it's a Liquid. At rest state, which means you don't want to walk around with a water-balloon tucked in your trauma plate carrier until somebody shoots you. The guys would laugh. The main problem with this development is retaining shape when it's not hit, so it doesn't bunch up around the bottom, and leave your ribs exposed. So, I would think a dedicated armor design would better handle that challenge than an armor insert.

 

Not unlike the stillsuit design for the Dineo de Laurentis film adaption of Dune. Since those were supposed to be full of Water.

 

 

Well, except for Jessica's, I assume those were full of Milk.

 

 

 

Another non-nutonian fluid is actually boric acid in mineral oil. AKA "Silly Putty." by it's trademarked name. There's lots of videos of people shooting it, and shooting it out of shotgun shells if you want to take a look.

A nice thing about Bolt Action is you can light-load them for subsonic, AND take the backpressure of a muffler without worrying about getting a return spring (Replaced with your arm) that can handle that impulse. However, the Mosin Nagant is cheap, for a reason. This looks like a Nomad gun for me. Not a Solos best friend. He said for Hunting, and that kind of makes sense, but Tactical? It's a bolt-action. Sniping is Strategic, not Tactical.

 

There's more compact reliable bolt actions to saw off. I did something similar with an IMI "Lone Eagle" single shot, which had a ported barrel. it wasn't threadded, and I had to hose clamp the muffler together, but the nice thing about a single-shot blowout (Glass pack) supressor is I "Owned" a suppressor for about 5 minutes. The ATF never found out about it. (Just a proof of concept design.) I can repack it any time, and I don't need more than 1 shot. If I make another one of those, it's to kill some damned body, and get away with it, not kick down the door of a meth lab.

 

There's better designs for that.

This is like the ultimate example of why the BAR "Walking Fire" concept didn't work. Honestly, walking around with a machinegun is not practical. It's never going to be practical, it's a waste of fucking ammo. Those things are mounted on aircraft for a reason: It's their role. You can strap a fishbowl, and carboard wings on your back too, but it won't make you Buzz Lightyear. Just aim. Line up the sites, and shoot them. It's that simple. Spray and Pray is not a tactic.

Well, also Diameter (Caliber) resists penetration, while Velocity aids it. 5.56 is lower diameter, and higher velocity than 7.62, so it intrinsically penetrates better, in something standard like copper jacketed ball. Of course, there's things you can do to improve penetration, but high velocity, and sectional density is pretty much the recipie. Why the Tokarev performs so well against Body Armor, it's basically a hot loaded 30 caliber Parabellum/Mauser.