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Don't worry, if you you read facebook now you'll see the goverment is only months away from injecting us all with nanotech 😂

Just thought I'd pop back in to say, it's 2020, where's my fuckin speedbooster and smartgun link? We are way behind the curve.

Gotta support E on this one, I saw it at the top last night but the last post was that one in 2003. Wierd.

Reading the top post, I guess someone voted in the poll...

hurrr...in fact the last few posts in this topic have been pretty much the same as ours..."Why has this thread come up again?". Maybe this thread will be doomed to be necroed and the same few confused posts parroted out by users for all time...

I remember seeing a programme on the BBC in the last couple of years in which some minor celebrity went round various world danger zones to try out the food there.

In the 1 episode I saw, he went to Chernobyl, I'm not sure if it was Pripyat or some other close by village, where the mayor assured him it was safe to eat the mushrooms growing in the forest, that the villagers had been doing it for years etc etc.

They go mushroom picking with the mayor and then take the mushrooms off to the local government safety inspector type to have them checked out, just to be on the safe side.

The look on the face of the scientist who tested them for radiation said it all. She was most insistant that eating the mushrooms would be a bad idea.

In a fair fight, Gally/Alita would fux her up. I'd love to see a good live action of Battle Angel, but then, I could say the same of Aon Flux. My point is, technology is up to the task, Höllewood is not.

It wouldnt really be a fair fight would it? Alita is some sort of super cyborg from the far future. It'd be like sending an F22 against a Sopwith Camel.

 

I get the impression its a remake of the original Ghost in the Shell movie, in which case the Puppetmaster is an American intelligence AI that runs amok.

 

Eh?...Its always been section um...6 I think (cant remember if it was the Japanese ministry of foreign or internal affairs), in the versions I've seen. Manga and Anime.

Mind U, in the UK we only get imported american stuff, so maybe it was changed for the US market...in fact IIRC (which may not be the case, its been a long time since I read any manga, or watched any anime for that matter) the helicopters (not sure if it was the ones carrying the snipers, or a backup squadron) coming in at the end of the manga that get chased off were implied to be British.

Gits...heh...not sure if thats only funny if your from the UK...or possibly an Aussie too.

Hi there, I'm sort of new, although I used to post here as Velvet Cyberpunk, but I forgot my password, and so I re-registered. How is everyone?

Welcome back. Not that u know who I am, or I u.

Fuck Taslsorian? Well, I s'pose u could say that. It's not as if we need them. Just because material is 'official' doesn't really make it any more valid. Fan and official stuff has both been put together by a bunch of guys with lots of experience and a love for the game, it's just that one lot get paid for it.

There are enough fan rules mods out there to fix most of the bugs in 2020. Theres huge amounts of source material too. Maybe its not all as beautifully presented as the RTG books but its still good stuff. I'll certainly miss the official 2020 books, the firestorms were brilliant. Such a shame we were denied aftershock for V.3. Sigh.

One final dig, the advantage/disavantage system was already included in bubblegum crisis and I think maybe the fuzion core rules, so one of the few things that i liked in V3 wasn't actually from V3 anyway.

Hi.

I used to play CP a long time ago but stopped when I decide chemical entertainment and general deviancy was a lot more fun. I kept up with the literature though since I always quite liked the fictional universe of 2020. Now I've got a bit bored of life on the edge (it might be fun as an RPG but believe me its not so good in real life) and am looking to find something to keep me entertained. I GM'd CP before things went a bit iffy and my players always said I was a good GM so I'm going to give writing RPG 'fan' material a go. I live in Cornwall, England and don't have any players, I cut myself off from anyone not related to my chosen poison a long time ago so the internet is about the only way to do this. I have a few NPC's and part finished adventures I'm going to post when i get round to it.

Bye

Hi, this is a review of V3 I was going to post on drive thru RPG. Its probably a bit too long for a post but Im too lazy to cut it down. I dont know if it adds anything new to the discussion but I'm gonna post cause I dont want to get booted for inaction and I want to post an adventure I've been writing on a new thread and apparently I cant till Ive made a few other posts.

I bought V3 as soon as it came out and it has been sitting on my hard drive pretty much unused ever since. I’m not going to say it’s a bad game but I didn’t like it for a number of reasons. Some are just a matter of taste, but others are a bit more troubling.

1. This is not cyberpunk anymore its sci-fi. Cyberpunk tech wasn’t much of a leap of imagination it was believable, recognisable. The tech in this isn’t. It’s a bit too fantastic, like something out of a sci-fi movie or anime. If I wanted giant robots, megafusion hyper-cannons and superheroes I wouldn’t go for a cyberpunk RPG. This is a matter of taste, but if you want ‘cyberpunk’…go elsewhere.

2. One of the main reasons I liked cyberpunk so much was it was recognisable, like today only more ‘interesting’. Society was similar but a lot more messed up, NPC’s had recognisable goals and motivations. You could empathise with your character and his/her struggles. The V3 world is a bit too alien, the Altcults just don’t pique my interest, I can’t relate to them. Taste again, I know…

3. 1 complaint about 2020 was too much emphasis on equipment and numbers. V3 seems to make this worse. It’s about the cool toys your piece of paper with a bunch of numbers can accumulate. Players with high stats and big guns can blast through everything without a thought to role-playing. ‘Roll players’. I think I read in Mike Pondsmiths forward that he wanted to make this more like a computer game, plug in and play, to compete with computer based RPG’s. Computers do comparatively shallow action very well and no paper-based system can compete. RPG’s should be about talking to fellow players and interacting with NPC’s. I know all this is really a matter of how you play, but V3 does seem to nudge you the other way with…

4. The ‘Giri’ system, a strange concept to try and quantify and apply rules to complex inter-personal/group relationships. ‘Ooh I just have to save the life of one more nomad, then I'll get 10 more giri points and I can trade them in for a railgun’ Eh? What? You can throw out rules that you don’t use, which will probably leave you wondering quite what you spent your money on.

5. The character generation system is complex and confusing. Far too many stats and you shouldn’t need a calculator to work some of them out. The advantage/disadvantage section is a nice idea but a bit odd. ‘Lets see… +10 because my sisters in the CIA, x2 because she lives just down the road. Hmm, looks like I’m going to have to reduce my strength by a couple of points and develop a crack habit to pay for it’. Everything has been given number values, which have to balance. It is a way stopping people having overly powerful characters and adding some character elements that people may not of thought of otherwise but I don’t think the system works well at all. Perhaps that’s why we have…

6. Pages and pages of utterly pointless half finished cardboard cut out character templates. Nobody likes pre-generated characters. No one. Understand. Why would anyone give a flying **** about a character that is not of their design and the ref couldn’t even be bothered to create properly. I suppose it is a quick way of creating NPC’s, but why waste pages and pages of the book on it when a few D10 will get the job done just as easily.

7. Repetition. Almost all the guns and net runner programs are straight from 2020. Almost half the book is just repeated tables of stuff that has been seen earlier in the book or from 2020.

8. IMHO this was one of the most interesting, engrossing and believable RPG worlds out there. V3’s most hideous crime is to take this world and trash it. All those wonderful, detailed sourcebooks don’t mean **** anymore. I guess they had to do this, otherwise why would anyone buy any new books, they could just keep going with the old ones. Why bring out a new book for 2020 (Aftershock, I mourn your loss) when we can redesign everything, print loads of new (re hashed, maybe) source books and get people to buy those?

9. A lot of people have complained about the artwork. I think good art can be quite important in building up a mental picture and somehow makes the game feel more enjoyable, but I’m not going to criticise the game for lack of it.

There were a couple of things that deserve praise though

1. The new net rules integrate netrunners into the game much more. The technology aspect of it seems a little too fantastic (still better than the cybergeneration ‘illusions can kill…honest’ effort) to me but since it’s one of the few gameplay improvements over 2020, and quite a major one at that, I have to give it credit.

2. The idea of the advantage/disadvantage system, if not the way its quantified. As a bunch of suggestions for interesting details to add to your character and getting you to think how these might effect him/her it’s very good.

3. Er…Um…

In all I think this is a step backwards from 2020 and people who own that game will feel cheated.

It isn’t a bad game, stand alone it’s ok, if you want a sci-fi roll-play game this might be for you. You’ll always be comparing and V3 comes up short. It’s like comparing ‘Alien Resurrection’ to ‘Aliens’. The former is not a bad film, but compared to the latter…

All you’ll be paying for is the ‘official’ version of the cyberpunk future and there are a lot of websites with ‘future cyberpunk’ story lines. They are free and just as good as the one RTG has come up with. 2020 was the pinnacle of the game. V3 feels like Cybergeneration or Bubblegum crisis, a side project with some good points but nothing particularly engrossing and basically unnecessary. Maybe that will change when more source books come out, but I’d wait & see how things develop before shelling out just yet.

Ok sorry if that was too long feel free to reply calling me an idiot whatever. If there is also a page to post adventures (its a big one, 40 pages so far and I'm not half finished) please let me know.