hobgoblin

nah, just a work drone

the guy with the prostetic hands where from one section or other, yes. but he had a person with him that was from imperial usa (or there about). also note that the imperial usa guy had not told the full story, and this was while working with a supposed ally.

and this is a repeated pattern when boys from there show up. just check the gits:sac episode when they are hunting a former special ops in the sewers.

plots within plots. and all out of good old langley...

V3 is like the second Highlander movie.

i would say that depends on how long one have spent playing 2020. but yes, if one try to make any kind of mental connection between the two in story or similar, its mental breakdown time. its best to just view v3 as a stand alone game that happens to have a name in common with a classic.

given the types of people that seems to be old timers on here, im worried no matter what

or maybe im just clinically paranoid, who knows?

heh, bad joke on my part

hmm, can someone say sheep alongside wolfs?

style over functionality?

and with style, not necessarily mainstream style

the horse isnt dead yet?!

and make sure to wear steel toed boots, toe stepping is a fine art

still, even without such footwear one goes numb eventually

same as always id guess...

and in case anyone got the wrong impression, im one of them

Now I run my own Cyberpunk V3 game and I'm very happy about it. Unfortunately the book is not perfect and I came here for looking some solutions, tips and answers Hopefully I'll find many useful ideas

most on this board will probably tell you to torch the book and forget it ever existed...

hmm, im tempted to grab that address just for the hell of it.

female, cp interested, strong signal on my interest-o-meter

nah, all biz here

optionally, get in touch with mike et all and hear if its ok to create "canon" fan material based on the 2020 base.

ok, so getting hold of hard copy versions of the old books may be hard these days...

face it, cyberpunk as a genre have limited appeal at the best of times. and this time round its drowned solidly by the lotr movies, word of warcraft, general high fantasy wave thats going full steam as we speak.

so even if cpv3 was the epitome of perfection when it came to cyberpunk setting and rules system, people would not register its existence unless they where fans of the genre or something like that.

and your new coke, old coke comparison may not be as far of as one may think. but its just as much a kick towards the consumers of said goods because its a classical example of what power habits can have.

people where so used to the taste of cola, some had been drinking it from almost the day they where born, that for them it would be as if the pope one day announced that jesus had a gay relationship with his disciples to change the blend of coke.

my take, and i believe i have stated it before, is that v3 needs to be looked at as a free standing product. yes it have its history embedded in 2020, but its more a child of 2020 then a clone of it. and just as a child will never be the same as the parents, but will have similarities, so is it with v3.

also, mike stated from the day they posted the first previews, that he would incorporate elements that allowed pick up and play style gaming. you get your stats, you pick your alt-cult, you pick some general gear from that and you go play. he built the game just as much to compete with computer games as p&p rpg games of old.

so it have a embedded instant gratification factor in it, that i don't think you can find in 2020. could you afford the equipment to toss cars around in 2020 from char gen? in v3 all alt-cults have something that can do that (in theory), and its affordable from char gen.

so the new coke comparison kicks both ways. sadly i fear that mike have both alienated the old fan base, as well as not really reached out to new gamer markets as to do that you have to market the book in new places (the reason i believe the ipod took of, apple marketed it beyond the computer users that creative and others before them had gone for).

in the same way, new coke was aimed squarely at the pepsi blind tests.

but if you look at coka-cola now, they try to pass it of as something more then a drink, its a life style.

hell, i recall reading a test where people would flag pepsi as the best when not told what they where drinking. but when told it was coka-cola they began talking about how they felt much better then when drinking pepsi. the power of placebo, religion, blind belief all the way.

we humans are creatures of habit. at times we may not even break said habit even at the face of lethal danger.

me, i don't care what game is the "better" or more true to the cyberpunk feel. i see fun in both games, and will not look down upon someone that selected 2020 over v3. but please, i wish to be treated the same way. as in, just because i choose different then "you" in not less of a person then "you". its attitudes like that one that give us groups like al-qaida (probably spelled wrong) or "intelligent design"...

So cut the crap and stare at her tits.

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yes sir!

funny, i got fixer.

i would have expected netrunner or techie...

ah, yes. now i remeber. its the same publisher that made ogl cybernet, mongoose publishing. in there armor is equal to d&d damage resistance. as in, do less damage then the armor can handle and nothing happens what so ever.

quite workable.

and the cyberspace system isnt to bad either. you basicly use the same stats in the cyberwrold as you do in the real one, only that your equipment is programs. most of the simple ones can be written on the fly, like say weapons (cyberspace weapons even have some design mods that alter the difficulty of coding them. want a autofire ranged weapon? no problem, but the dc goes up). and the whole enviroment can be rewritten if the person have the skills.

even the ice is made by taking a class and giving it online weapons

i dont know. i kinda like the gadget system in d20 future. ie, want a multifunction weapon. take the cost of the diffrent weapons, add on a cost mod and presto.

allso works for armors, and other stuff

sure, its a easy thing to add, but i kinda like having stuff like that on paper as it makes things impartial.

err, forgot that one needs both d20 modern and d20 future to realy use the d20 cyberscape book. let me fix that...

why do i keep thinking fuzion as i read this thread?

and sorry for the slight thread necromancy

and lets see:

-digital burn

-ogl cybernet

-d20 cyberscape (addon to d20 modern and d20 future)

what other d20 based cyberpunk games are there?

as in published stuff, not fan stuff...

why dont you help him? become president and push the button

heh

figures that you cant trust anything these days to give straight answers...

Marusatsu: even in old japan was sex something that was taken lightly as long as it wasnt the public talk so to speak. see no evil, speak no evil. not unknown for a lower samurai to hire a hooker (or what was it they called it?) for the boss when he dropped in...

infact they had baths where both sexes showed up nude. it was only when the western world with its christian values came along that they had to stop doing it.

as for designer clothes and young girls selling sex, i partly blame it on the massmedia. take one look at your avarage rap or r&b video on mtv and check the style of clothing and attittude there. most ladys are dressed like hookers or sex kittens and most men as wannabe gangsters ("dumdadum, its though living on the street, dumdadum". nice nice, here is the up front mill we agreed upon for the next album)...

then there is the fact that you allmost gets ridiculed if your a virgin at age 18...

basicly we have come full sircle. at one time it was bad not to be a virgin at age 18, now it is bad to be a virgin at age 16...

and if people at the time found barbie to be provokative then they would scream bloody murder at the bratz series of dolls that have been showing up in the past year or so

Dog Soldier: sorry, but i see him more like john constantine (or whatever the name was) in hellraiser.

as i recall about molly the implants interferd with the cutout chip so that she became semiaware of what she was made to do.

allso, about the illusions. while you know its not real but it makes the right sounds and moves the right way it can trigger subconcius responses. sure a fire that sounds and look right dont have the heat but a blanket of spiders all over your body may get you to freak until the brain gets the message that hey you dont feel them (shock tactics are half the job). then there is the idea of sensory overload. hit someone with a lot of flashing lights (like a stroboscope) and a whole lot of noise and their brain may flip (and you get a nice flashbang effect from it to). if you hit someone with the right frequency sound you can make them lose balance or become seasick (the inner ear is in fact being affected, more directly the fluids in your balance centers). the body have "funny" responses when one part of its sensory input dont match others.